西方列強是否透過他們不會嘗試與西方列強合作的方式來阻礙日本？

嗯，但是這種檢查不是正常的大國競爭的一部分嗎？西方列強是否透過他們不會嘗試與西方列強合作的方式來阻礙日本？

我認為這個論點理所當然地認為西方列強在這段時期是團結的，但事實並非如此

我想一個例子就是西奧多·羅斯福對日俄戰爭的調解，結果卻對日本有利

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嗯，但是這種檢查不是正常的大國競爭的一部分嗎？西方列強是否透過他們不會嘗試與西方列強合作的方式來阻礙日本？

是的，這就是我這樣寫答案的原因。種族平等條款在道德上是正確的做法，並且會帶來長期利益，但在 1919 年，沒有一個大國有任何理由支持日本。如果你讀過有關 1919 年和平會議的書籍，你會發現日本對於為什麼其他大國應該接受他們的要求幾乎沒有給出任何解釋。事實上，他們在會議期間幾乎完全保持沉默，並進行了極少的談判。不完全是梅特涅或塔列朗。

日本在 1919 年和 1922 年是個奇怪的國家，這一觀點是日本民族主義者的一個主題。我確信這是更嚴肅的歷史論證的論點，但我不認為這是得出的唯一有效的結論。（日本有更有力的證據表明其與美國的雙邊外交是 20 世紀 20 年代至 40 年代系統性種族主義的受害者，但這與主要的大國論點無關）

Hm, but couldn't this checking be part of normal great power competition? Did Western Powers hinder Japan through ways they wouldn't attempt with a Western Power?

I think this argument takes for granted that Western Powers were united throughout this period, when this was not really the case

I suppose one example would be the Theodore Roosevelt mediation of the Russo-Japanese war ending up rather in Japan's favour

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Hm, but couldn't this checking be part of normal great power competition? Did Western Powers hinder Japan through ways they wouldn't attempt with a Western Power?

Yeah, this is why I wrote my answer the way I did. The racial equality clause was morally the right thing to do and would have had long-term benefits, but in 1919, none of the great powers had any reason to back Japan. If you read books about the 1919 peace conference you can see that Japan gave virtually zero explanation for why other powers should buy in to their request. In fact, they were almost entirely silent during the conference sessions and did minimal negotiating. Not exactly Metternich or Talleyrand.

The idea that Japan was the odd one out in 1919 and 1922 is a Japanese nationalist talking point. I'm sure it's been the thesis of more serious historical arguments but I don't think it's the only valid conclusion to draw. (Japan has a much stronger case that its bilateral diplomacy with America was the victim of systemic racism in the 1920s-40s, but that's tangential to the main great power argument)