越南還應該被視為共產主義國家嗎？
不，越南從來就不是共產主義國家。
越南由共產黨控制，但儘管如此，它只是一個標籤。黨內多為新資本主義，極端殘暴腐敗。
越南境內沒有“共產主義”。它更像是一個帶有“共產主義”標籤的威權國家，但一切都是來自中國的醜陋克隆，有數百項山寨政策、商業模式和臨時解決方案。
國家“專制”？那麼在你的理解中，越南政府的專製程度如何？像“世襲”、“一人做主”、“越共做主”這樣的專政？
至於所謂的“新資本”，這是一個比較奇怪的定義，請您解釋一下什麼是“新資本主義”，什麼是“舊資本主義”？
另外，你說越南的國家模式醜陋地抄襲了中國的模式，目前，當今世界上有100多個國家按照資本主義模式建立國家，所以你說的是哪個國家有資本主義的官方模式，哪個國家有復制資本主義模式？
具有諷刺意味的是，工農階級是無產階級革命力量的先鋒隊，這在馬克思主義理論中有明確描述，越南國家對共產主義（或更準確地說是社會主義）的定位，將這種力量強制寫入其憲法，自然而然地改變了這一點變成“獨裁”。你是對的，這是一個共產主義專政，不允許越南國家自由地跟隨資本主義國家的方向。
關於你所謂的凌亂、醜陋的副本。我要重申，越南憲法規定“越南共產黨是執政黨”，越南共產黨章程規定“越南共產黨由工農領導”，這意味著，無論發生什麼社會動盪，如果越南共產黨還在執政，工人階級和農民階級仍將掌權，越南將永遠以共產黨政權為導向。
接下來，越南是一個發展中國家，如果你機械地、刻板地學習某種模式而不適用於你國家的具體情況，就會發生不好的事情。但在這裡，中國是一個比越南早10多年發展的國家，跟隨共產黨政權，成功地消除了飢餓，減少了貧困，並在經濟和生產上逐漸實現了自給自足。為什麼VN不抄襲他們好的？如果越南是中國的翻版，越南人民的生活應該如何逐年改善？如果越南複製了中國，為什麼越南的經濟和文化開放度比中國大得多？
古語有云：“未學會爬，莫愁學跑”。越南的經濟起點是零。國家要發展，要建設好社會主義，就必須經過資本主義階段，沒有別的路可走。內部動盪、社會弊端、腐敗……是發展中國家的通病，不是任何人都會有的，就看那些國家有沒有強大到能夠消除缺陷，堅持不走你的方向。越南已將“建設社會主義定向市場經濟”作為其 Doi Moi 目標，除非共產黨垮台，否則他們將始終追求這一目標。
“你是對的，這是共產主義專政，不允許越南國家自由地跟隨資本主義國家的方向。”
請不要把話塞進我嘴裡。我沒那麼說過。
共產主義專政禁止一切不遵守的人和事，而不僅僅是“資本主義國家的方向”。請不要扭曲事情。
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“工人階級和農民仍將掌權，越南將永遠以共產黨政權為導向。”
這只是作秀而已，不存在“農民仍當政”之類的東西。事實上，越南沒有軍官是農民。他們都因腐敗而發財致富。不是這樣的馬克思主義說走向共產主義需要腐敗的官員和骯髒的財富。這都是一個彌天大謊。
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“為什麼越南不抄襲他們的好東西？如果越南是中國的翻版，越南人民的生活應該如何逐年改善？“
改進了嗎？是共產黨擁有和控制的報紙上的公告還是事實？也許你從未走出自己的安全區和舒適區，也不知道越南數百萬工人生活在狗屎般的條件下。成千上萬的老人和孩子在街上賣彩票。來吧。不要向我宣揚河內報紙上的東西。
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“越南的經濟起點是零”
不，共產黨破壞了越南經濟，尤其是在南越。“包帽”清除了一切，愚蠢而刻意地將一切歸零。如果沒有從 1976 年到 2016 年的外援，越南就無從談起。事實上，時至今日，越南高級軍官仍在向世界求助。沒有成千上萬的外國投資者向越南投入數十億美元，越南就一無所有。大多數工廠工人都在外資工廠工作。
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無論如何，請不要把話題拖到別的地方。主題是“越南還應該被認為是共產主義國家嗎”，請不要試圖為越南醜陋的真相辯護。
根據 Hoàng Văn Chí 的回憶錄 (Từ Thực Dân đến Cộng Sản) 和其他一些消息來源，武元甲不僅沒有進過法國監獄，他實際上是法國獵犬在印度支那的老闆路易斯馬蒂的養子。
此外，共產主義越南清楚地知道 Giáp 在奠邊府之後被推為與 Hồ Chí Minh 一起成為“革命目的”的偶像，但在幕後，梅家生、鄧一凡、羅貴波和魏國慶是 4 個主要的中國人奠邊府的顧問和戰略家。Giáp根本沒有做太多。魏國慶在他自己的回憶錄中提到Giáp和越南共產黨人“沒有布爾什維克思想，也沒有堅強地承認他們得到了幫助”。在魏國慶看來，他是那麼看不起武元甲。
胡志明去世後，武元甲迅速失寵，並沒有真正參與 70 年代的重大攻勢。
Trường Chinh 從來都不是農民。他受過良好的教育，來自一個富裕的家庭。為了取信於共產黨人，他公開判父母是地主資產階級。Lê Duẩn 也不是真正的農民。他出生在一個貧窮的家庭，但不是農民。他接受了法國殖民地教育，曾在法國的印度支那擔任鐵路官員。
“只要它能拯救越南”也許這是最初的主要目的，但隨著時間的推移，這不再是事實。
no, Vietnam has never been a communist country.
Vietnam is controlled by a communist party but even though, it’s just a label. Within the party, most of them are neo-capitalists and extremely brutal and corrupted.
There is nothing “communist” within Vietnam. It’s more like an authoritarian state with the “communist” label but everything is an ugly clone from China with several hundred pieces of copy-cat policies, business models and ad-hoc solutions.
State "authoritarian"? So in your understanding, how authoritarian is the Vietnamese government? Dictatorship like "hereditary", "One person decides everything", or "All decisions are made by the VCP"?
As for the so-called "new capital", this is a rather strange definition, could you please explain what is "neo-capitalist" and what is "old capitalist"?
In addition, you said that Vietnam's state model copied China's model in an ugly way, at present, in the world today there are more than 100 countries that have built their state according to the capitalism model, so the way you said it, which country has the official model of capitalism and which country has the copy capitalism model?
Ironically, the worker-peasant class is the vanguard of the proletarian revolutionary force, which is clearly described in Marxist theory, the Vietnamese State's orientation towards Communism (or more precisely. is socialism), making this force mandatory in their Constitution, naturally turning this into "dictatorship". You are right, this is a Communist dictatorship that does not allow the Vietnamese state to freely follow the direction of the Capitalist state.
About your so-called messy, ugly copy. I would like to reiterate that the Constitution of Vietnam stipulates that "the Communist Party of Vietnam is the ruling party" and the Charter of the Communist Party of Vietnam stipulates that "the Communist Party of Vietnam is led by workers and peasants", that means, no matter what social upheaval, if the Communist Party of Vietnam is still in charge, the working class and peasantry will still be in power and Vietnam will always be oriented towards the Communist regime.
The next thing, Vietnam is a developing country, bad things will happen if you learn a certain model mechanically, stereotyped without applying the specific situation of your country. But here, China is a country that has developed more than 10 years before Vietnam, followed the Communist regime and has succeeded in eradicating hunger, reducing poverty and gradually becoming self-reliant in economy and production. Why does VN not copy their good ones? If Vietnam is an ugly copy of China, how should the lives of Vietnamese people gradually improve year by year? If Vietnam copied China, why does Vietnam have a much larger economic and cultural openness compared to China?
There's an old saying "if you haven't learned to crawl, don't worry about learning to run". Vietnam has an economic starting point from zero. If the country wants to develop and successfully build socialism, it must go through the capitalist stage, there is no other way. Internal instability, social evils, corruption, ... are common problems of developing countries, not just anyone, just that those countries are strong enough to eliminate defects and persevere to your direction or not. Vietnam has oriented "building a socialist-oriented market economy" to its Doi Moi goal, unless the Communist Party collapses, they will always pursue that goal.
“You are right, this is a Communist dictatorship that does not allow the Vietnamese state to freely follow the direction of the Capitalist state.”
Please do not put words in my mouth. I did not say that.
Communist dictatorship forbid everything and everyone if they do not follow them, not just “direction of the capitalist state”. Please do not twist things around.
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“the working class and peasantry will still be in power and Vietnam will always be oriented towards the Communist regime.”
This is only for show and there is no such thing as “peasantry will still be in power”. In fact, there is no officers in Vietnam are peasants. They are all filthy rich from corruption. The is no such Marxism saying moving toward communism would need corrupted officers who are filthy rich. It’s all a big lie.
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“Why does VN not copy their good ones? If Vietnam is an ugly copy of China, how should the lives of Vietnamese people gradually improve year by year? “
Improved? By the announcements from the newspapers owned and controlled by the communist party or it’s the reality? Perhaps you have never stepped out of your own secured and comfort zone and never know that million of workers in Vietnam are living in shit condition. Thousand and thousand old people and children are selling lottery tickets on the street. Come on. Don’t preach me stuffs from Hanoi’s newspapers.
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“Vietnam has an economic starting point from zero”
No, the communists destroy Vietnam economy, especially in South Vietnam. “Bao cap” has purged everything and stupidly and deliberately brought everything to zero. Without foreign aids stretching from 1976 until 2016, Vietnam couldn’t have anything to start. In fact, nowadays, Vietnamese high ranking officers are still begging the world for helps. Without thousand and thousand foreign investors to pour in billion of dollars in Vietnam, Vietnam has nothing. Most of the factory workers are working in foreign owned factories.
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Anyway, please, do not drag the topic out to something else. The topic is “Should Vietnam still be considered a communist country” and please do not try to defend for the ugly truth about Vietnam.
Not only Võ Nguyên Giáp had not been in a French prison, he was actually an adopted son of French bloodhound’s boss in Indochina, Louis Marty, according to Hoàng Văn Chí’s memoir (Từ Thực Dân đến Cộng Sản) and several other sources.
Also, Communist Vietnam clearly knew that Giáp was pushed up to be an icon along side with Hồ Chí Minh after Dien Bien Phu for “revolution purpose" but behind the scene, Mei Jiasheng, Deng Yifan, Luo Guibo and Wei Guoqing were 4 major Chinese advisors and strategists for Dien Bien Phu. Giáp did not do much at all. In his own memoir, Wei Guoqing mentioned that Giáp and Vietnamese Communists “are not having bolshevik mind and not strong to admitted that they were helped". Under Wei Guoqing’s view, he looked down Giáp so much.
After Ho Chi Minh died, Giáp was rapidly falling out of favour and was not really participated in the major offensives in the 70'.
Trường Chinh was never a peasant. He was well educated and came from a rich family. To gain the trusts of communists, he publicly sentenced his parents being landlords and bourgeois. Lê Duẩn was not truely a peasant too. He was born in a poor family but not peasant. He obtained French colonial education and used to be rail officer in French's Indochina.
“as long as it could save Vietnam” perhaps this was the main purpose originally but over the time, that was no longer true.
Ho Chi Minh applied to France for admission to the Colonial Institute, was rejected and turned to Moscow to find communist support.
Ho Chi Minh promised Chinese General Zhang Fa Kui not to implement communism for 50 years, but the Republic of China perished first and ran to Taiwan. And also in 1946 China signed a treaty with France to treat Vietnam as a colony and give up Vietnam to France. Ho Chi Minh certainly could not trust the Republic of China anymore.
1945 Ho Chi Minh sent a letter to the President of the United States seeking assistance, which was ignored by the United States and no relevant reply. Could Ho Chi Minh not implement communism?
1949 When the People's Republic of China was founded, could Ho Chi Minh's North Vietnam not implement communism?
Can Ho Chi Minh not implement communism when three capitalist countries, Britain, France and the United States, invaded Vietnam one after another and did not have the interests of Vietnam at heart?
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