What do you think is Europe's biggest threat right now
LIZ TRUSS Katie Miller
What do you think is Europe's biggest threat right now?
麗茲·特拉斯談英國政治、大規模移民與深層政府 |
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1:32 - 擔任英國首相是怎樣的體驗？
3:28 - 首相的典型工作日是怎樣的？
4:12 - 保守黨領導層的失敗之處何在？
6:12 - 英國需要像川普總統這樣的人物對抗深層政府
8:27 - 莉茲希望自己曾採取哪些行動對抗深層政府？
12:12 - 莉茲與東尼·布萊爾的關係如何？
13:40 - 當今英國最大問題為何？
14:27 - 英國覺醒主義混亂背後是自由派精英
15:26 - 當前歐洲最大威脅為何？
15:53 - 上議院是否應被削弱？
19:40 - 王室威望是否衰退？
20:55 - 哈利與梅根在英國是否遭人憎惡？
21:15 - 破除王室種族主義的謊言
22:15 - 女王從未表態政治立場
22:38 - 英國解決邊境危機的關鍵措施
27:57 - 什麼讓伊莉莎白女王覺醒？
32:43 - 身為政治人物的母親
38:56 - X平台揭露英國自由派建制派
42:25 - 伊莉莎白會再次參選嗎？
42:52 - 你寧願選擇哪個
44:44 - 伊莉莎白的護膚程序
45:20 - 莉茲鍾情美國蓬鬆髮型
48:05 - 美國面臨麵包供應危機
50:54 - 汽車速遞服務的奇妙體驗
53:40 莉茲分享與女王的幕後花絮
54:15-莉茲會邀請哪些人物共進晚宴（無論在世與否）？
Liz Truss on UK Politics, Mass Migration & The Deep State |
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1:32 - What was it like being Prime Minister of the UK?
3:28 - What was a typical day as Prime Minister?
4:12 - What were the failures of the Tory Leadership?
6:12-The UK needs someone like President Trump to take on the deep state
8:27 - What does Liz wish she did to fight the deep state?
12:12 - What is Liz's relationship like with Tony Blair?
13:40 - The biggest problem in the UK right now
14:27 British liberal elites are behind the woke mess in the UK
15:26 - The Biggest Threat to Europe right now
15:53 Should the House of Lords be weakened?
19:40 - Is the crown diminishing?
20:55 Are Harry and Meghan hated in the UK?
21:15 - Debunking the lies on the palace being racist
22:15-The Queen never revealed her stance on politics
22:38-What needs to be done in the UK to fix the border crisis
27:57 - What red pilled Liz?
32:43 - Being a Mum in politics
38:56 - X has exposed the liberal establishment in the UK
42:25-Will Liz run again?
42:52 - Would you rather
44:44 - Liz's skincare routine
45:20 - Liz loves America's Big Hair
48:05 - America has a bread problem
50:54 - Drive-throughs are a magical experience
53:40 Liz shares a BTS moment with the Queen
54:15-Who would Liz invite to a dinner party dead or alive?
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莉兹·特拉斯:“伊斯兰化......中国利用极端伊斯兰主义的威胁作为其击败西方的手段之一,我认为极端伊斯兰主义是这一手段的关键组成部分。”
你認為當前歐洲面臨的最大威脅是什麼？
伊斯蘭化。我的意思是，我認為對世界最大的威脅其實是中國。但我認為中國將激進伊斯蘭的威脅作為其工具箱的一部分，用以擊敗西方世界。而激進伊斯蘭正是這個工具箱中的關鍵要素。
『莉茲·特拉斯：「X 徹底改變了英國，帶來了媒體試圖壓制的新聞。」
「數以萬計的11歲及以上的英國女孩遭到巴基斯坦穆斯林團伙的誘騙、強姦和虐待。
「英國主流媒體大多試圖掩蓋此事。」
LIZ TRUSS: “X has revolutionized Britain and brought news that the press were trying to suppress.
“Tens of thousands of British girls age 11 and upwards are groomed, raped, tortured by Pakistani Muslim gangs.
“The mainstream media in Britain has largely tried to cover it up.”
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LIZ TRUSS Katie Miller
What do you think is Europe's biggest threat right now?
Islamification And I mean I think the biggest threat to the world is China。But I think China uses the threats of radical Islam as part of their toolbox of how they're going to defeat the West And I think the radical Islam is a key part of that toolbox。
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The Tories held power for 14 years, longer than any modern government. Yet, it ended in a historic defeat as we're seeing today. When you were the prime minister, where do you feel like you could have done better? And the problem is I didn't have enough time to get legislation free parliament. They blamed that market meltdown on me. And it was just a pileon. I was one person and I essentially had a gun to my head. So I definitely became Repild as prime minister because I discovered just how powerful the deep state is and I thought this country isn't really a democracy because a democratically selected leader is not able to carry out their policies. Looking at the current state of the UK, the economy, housing, healthcare, immigration, what keeps you up at night? The biggest problem is Islamism. Everything else is reversible. Being a racist, you know, according to the British liberal establishment, is worse than being a rapist. And they've just used it as an attack line. And I think it's so important that we never ever respond to that. I'm getting more right-wing every week. Hi everyone and welcome to this week's episode of the Katie Miller podcast. We're excited to be joined by Liz Truss, the former prime minister of the United Kingdom today. Our first foreign guest on the podcast. Well, I feel honored honored to be the first foreigner. Although I think the Brits have a lot in common with the Americans. So So walk me through briefly what it is like to be the prime minister of the UK. I think Americans here know a lot about what it's like to be the president. They see a lot of President Trump doing things. because they've seen President Biden, President Obama in recent memories. And really what we see domestically of, you know, a foreign leader is not as much as what they do during the day or how that office functions. Well, in terms of what the British public expect, they expect pretty much of the British prime minister what they'd expect of the American president. They're expecting somebody who runs a country, who represents Britain abroad. The problem in Britain though is the powers that the prime minister used to have have been taken away and they've been taken on by much of the deep state. So what I discovered becoming prime minister is the public expect you to be able to do stuff but you pull the levers and nothing happens. And I think one of the problems in Britain is the prime minister is also a bit like the speaker of the House of Representatives in that they can be removed by the MPs at any time. So you're only as strong as your caucus. So it's a bit like if the House of Representatives, you know, they elect Speaker Johnson, they could depose him if they don't like what he's doing. Same kind of way they remove Kevin McCarthy. Exactly. But a lot in a lot of times in politics, you need to make a tough decision that's not popular straight away. And this is why in Britain, we've had a succession of prime ministers because the caucus keeps getting rid of them and saying we don't like this. But we need to change the country so much that you need to take tough decisions. So it's a kind of combination of the prime minister, the the president and the speaker of the house of representatives. What would your typical have day have been like? So it would be lots of media, lots of public appearances. The prime minister has to do PMQs once a week, prime minister's questions in the House of Commons. So answering questions from MPs, a lot of time working on policy, what needs to happen, making announcements, arguing with other pe bits of the government. And you know I think in that sense it is pretty similar to what the president of the United States does. There is just more executive power now in the United States. And of course President Trump has taken uh more executive power because he understands the problem with the system. The Tories held power for 14 years longer than any modern government. Yet it ended in a historic defeat as we're seeing today. What do you think were the real failures of Tory leadership that kind of led to that outcome? Well, the failure was not reversing the Blair period. Blair conducted a silent revolution on Britain. So, he put in place the Human Rights Act, which gave the same human rights to illegal immigrants as to British citizens. He put in place the Constitutional Reform Act, which basically took power away from Parliament and gave it to unelected judges. He put in place the Equality Act that embedded DEI into law. So he did all of these. He also did the climate change act which basically meant we couldn't do fracking. You know, our energy prices went really high. And the problem was the Conservative Party wasn't prepared to roll that stuff back because they didn't want to be unpopular with their friends at dinner parties. They didn't want to say we're against climate change or actually we think a man can't become a woman. That's a load of rubbish. So they kind of went along with it. And by the time people realized what Blair had done and how he'd basically rigged the state against conservatives and every institution now in Britain is full of leftists who believe this stuff. You know, the equality department's full of transgender activists. the climate change departments full of a load of naughty environmentalists. You know, when people realized how bad it was, it was too late. And too many conservatives had been they'd basically been corrupted by the system. They thought, if I want to get a job after politics, I don't want to go against net zero. I don't want to go against transgender ideology because then I'm not going to be acceptable to work in a big corporation or get a job in the media. So, you just had this whole group of people that essentially were conservatives in name only. That was the fundamental problem. Do you think that was a derivative of the voters trying to elect somebody like a Donald Trump but always getting somebody who was milktoast to actually make those changes? I think we look Donald Trump is a unique character because he is prepared to say the things that everybody is thinking and don't want to say out loud and we don't really have anybody as fearless in Britain and as bold. So I think that's part of the issue but also our deep state in Britain has been going longer than the American deep state. So that the the kind of forces we're battling I call them the blob are very very powerful. they're very well connected. You know, we've got a state funded broadcaster in the BBC that is just dripping with this stuff. So, I think it's both a combination of not having the person, but also uh the problem being bigger. And we're now at a stage where K Star DMA, the current prime minister, is the most unpopular prime minister in British history. The public are so angry with everything like mass migration, economic stagnation, just how bad everything is in Britain that I think they're now prepared to vote for a Trump style option. Uh I think we're we're getting to that point now. Or maybe I'm just an optimist. You've warned that the fall could be become irreversible. Do you think the current Tories are capable of renewal or is it time to patch the pass the torch to the reform? So I don't think the current Tories understand what needs to change. They're not prepared to take on the institutions like the Bank of England, you know, like the unelected judiciary. They're not really prepared to take them on. I'm not sure Nigel Farage has yet committed to do that either. So we we're in a position now and we're three years out from a general election. We're in a position now where nobody has really said anything that is big enough to take on what what the problem is. You know, now what you say resonates with me and probably so many of my listeners about the deep state and how long it's been continuing on and how to actually tackle it. when you were the prime minister, where do you feel like you could have done better looking back to say gh I could have had that opportunity and shown that I could have done what? See what what happened was I put forward a budget which was about keeping taxes low, getting fracking to reduce our energy costs and restraining the budget. You know, it's a classic supply side sure package and it's what Trump is doing now, which is turbocharging the American economy. The point is the the bureaucrats in the Treasury and the Bank of England hated it. And the night before we announced it, the Bank of England announced that they were selling 40 billion pounds worth of government guilts. They didn't tell me about that because they're independent and they were made independent by Tony Blair and the only way you can change that is legislation and the problem is I didn't have enough time to get legislation free parliament and then what they did is they had created a market meltdown by not properly regulating the pensions industry but they blamed that market meltdown on me and there was just a pylon there's the pile on of all the conservatives in name only all the kind of corporate types all of the mainstream media just piled on me and I didn't have the infrastructure or the forces to take them on. I was one person and I essentially had a gunput to my head and I was threatened with you know uh not being able to fund government debt if I didn't change the policy. So my lesson is, you know, you need a massive infrastructure and a fighting force. If you could go back, would you have built that infrastructure before you made proposals? Well, the the problem was that the the prime minister jobs kind of came up because Boris Johnson had been forced out, right, by these same conservatives in name only. They forced him out. They wanted to install Richy Sunnak, who's like a creature of the establishment. And I thought, well, if I don't put my name forward now, then I'm just letting these people win and we're going to have more of these terrible policies, the Conservative Party is going to v be voted out because everybody hates us for what we've done, which is allow mass migration, you know, kill the economy, implement all these woke policies. So, it was a bit of a, you know, like there was no ideal choice here. I either went forward for the job when I wasn't ready, which I wasn't because I hadn't built the infrastructure before you made the proposals, you know, and proposed the budget and done these, you know, reforms, built a larger coalition, whether that not be with the MPs, but be these forces upon the outside. The the issue is that we were only two years out from a general election and I needed to show this stuff was working. And what happens with the blob is that if you don't do things on day one, they just swallow you whole. They wouldn't have even let me put my proposals on the table. I had to surprise them, which is exactly the strategy Trump used with Flood the Zone from day one. Yeah. Do you see what I mean? If you spend time trying to persuade people, I would have been drowned by the bureaucracy. They would have come up with five million legal reasons. Yeah. for not doing it. What's your relationship with Tony Blair now? Uh given that I've said that he is the cause of most of Britain's problems, it's it's not it's not, you know, we're not best buddies. Put it like that. I don't think he's the only cause but I think he is he is part of the globalist establishment that have that has almost destroyed the west you know and I include Clinton in that Obama you know Macron Ursula Vanderelion Mark Carney who was also governor of the bank of England that created a load of these problems before he went on to try and ruin Canada which is what he's doing at the moment but they're all part of this same club and they have utterly failed. You know, they've utterly failed. They've brought our country to its knees. You know, Britain is now poorer than Mississippi, which is the poorest US state. That's how bad it is. And that is Blair is one of the central figures in creating this absolute mess. What's your relationship with Rishi now? Equally unpositive. I mean, he he is just a creature of the system. You know, he wanted to be prime minister. He had no idea what he wanted to do apart from go along with the bureaucrats. You know, what's the point? You know, I don't see the point of going for a job like being prime minister of Great Britain if you're not trying to actually achieve something. Looking at the current state of the UK, the economy, housing, healthcare, immigration, what keeps you up at night? The biggest problem is Islamism. Everything else is reversible. you know that the health service is a mess, the economy is a mess, but ultimately we know the policies that work. You know, we know that if Britain got fracking, if Britain cut taxes, if we cut regulation, if we're open to technologies like crypto and AI, you can get that going. Mhm. But if the country, you know, suffers from radical Islam, then that is very difficult to reverse. So that's to me that's the biggest threat that there is. Now, you've been a vocal warrior against world culture, blaming it from everything from high taxes to broken civil service that strays into anti-semitism. Has British culture lost its way, prioritizing identity politics over family, over national pride? See, it's elite culture that's the problem. It's the British liberal elite who since the 1960s have rejected tradition. They've rejected Christianity. They've rejected the idea of the nation state. You know, they want to hang out in Davos. They're they're ashamed of our country. You know, K Star is the ultimate example of somebody who's ashamed of his country. That is not what the average Brit thinks. You know, the average Brit is very proud to be British. They understand that we're a Christian country. They believe in things like freedom of speech, but they've been suppressed. So, there's a big difference between the elite and the population of Britain. What do you think is Europe's biggest threat right now? Islamification. And and I mean, I think the biggest threat to world the world is China. But I think China uses the threats of radical Islam as part of their toolbox of how they're going to defeat the West. And I think the radical Islam is is a key part of that toolbox. There's been increasing talks about reforming or even weakening again the House of Lords. Do you think Britain would be better off with less aristotic influence in politics today? The House of Lords isn't really full of aristocrats. I mean, there aren't that many hereditary peers and labor getting rid of them. It's just full of policemen. Like, the House of Lords is full of former senior civil servants, former judges, you know, it's all the same people that have caused all the problems are now in the House of Lords. Do you think the weakening back to the turn of the century when they dramatically weakened the House of Lords and kneecapped I would say the aristocracy's hold over what was the British system changed British culture and changed Britain in a way that isn't beneficial for the country that led to some of the problems you see today. I do think in general the hereditary peers are a good influence in the House of Lords, but to me the bigger changes Blair did were, you know, the human rights laws that pro, you know, the the the cowtowing to the globalist institutions like the UN. you that was the that's the thing that really changed British political culture and the House of Lords probably is not a big part of it. Do you think overall weakening I would say the crown's influence on you know British politics has shaped and has pushed this again towards the ability to create such radical changes in such a short period of time whereas it was more resistant over centuries. Britain has always been a country where radical change can be achieved. I mean we had Cromwell, we had you know the restoration. So there has always been an ability. If you want to change things in Britain very quickly, you can do it. It's unlike the American Constitution where you've got checks and balances. We don't have checks and balances. Parliament's sovereign. And what Blair has done is he took the powers away from Parliament and gave it to all these unelected bodies which were then captured by woke ideology. But if you get 350 MPs who want to change it, they can change it. You've just got to get them elected and they've got to be able to do what it takes because it's going to be an almighty battle against the blob and these, you know, their mates in the BBC and the all of these elements of the deep state that I've been talking about. They're not easy to deal with even now under Trump too. You know, the the blob has not gone away. you know, they're still there in places like the State Department. Do you think it'd be popular to put hereditary peers back in the House of Lords? Uh, I don't think the public would care very much to be frank. Like the people are so frustrated like they're frustrated with illegal migrant illegal migrant hotels and, you know, girls of 12 being raped. You know, they are angry about the state of the NHS. They're angry that all the traditional industries have died because energy prices are so high. I don't think they really care who's in the House of Lords or not. I think they just want it fixed. I would say Americans really care about British royalty to a degree that I'm not sure is the same. Maybe it is in the UK. I think that's right. I think Americans and also Americans think they have more power than they do. the you know that the king is able to kind of shape marches. That's just not true. It's just not true. So then what do you make of I would say maybe it's tabloids than it is reality you know of the crown diminishing further should when King Charles not be king anymore and as the lineage goes further down especially what goes on with Harry and Megan. I mean Harry and Megan are not in the line of succession. Thank God. So, you know, the I think the monarchy has a secure future in Britain. You know, there's a clear line of succession. Do you think the British people want to retain them? Yes, definitely. There's no there really isn't any even talk about it. It's, as I say, people have got such visceral real concerns about what is going on in towns and cities. I mean the grooming gangs who are raping white girls, you know this kind of that is what people are bothered about or the fact that you get arrested for posting on the internet and you can be jailed. That is that is what people are thinking about. They're really not thinking about Harry and Megan. Maybe some of them are, but we're just glad that you're looking after them at the moment. But the same vis I mean I'd say a lot of Americans have a visceral reaction now when you mention Harry and Megan's names. Is that shared across the pond? Yeah, it definitely is. It definitely is. Do you think royal TV shows like The Crown have damaged the monarchy's image or has it made it more relatable? I think I I watch The Crown. I think it's a great it's a great show. Uh how true it is, I don't know. The Oprah interview with Harry and Megan and the Netflix series accuses the palace of racism. You've you're someone who has met the king and many I'm sure presumably many members of the royal family. Is that are those claims fair or do you think that's a calculated attack on them? Of course they're not fair and this is a you this is a problem with wal ideology and that is what has been you know perpetrated by Harry and Megan. Of course, it's not fair. And you know, racism has been used as a weapon. You know, being a racist, you know, according to the British liberal establishment, is worse than being a rapist. And they've just used it as an attackline. And I think it's so important that we never ever respond to that. How do you view the monarchy's role in the future of Britain? Do you wish they were more vocal or should remain as neutral as they've been? As neutral as possible. But I think the late queen and I was fortunate to be the final prime minister that she appointed when the late queen got it absolutely right. Absolutely right. She was a a immense figure and you know for 70 years on the phone. Can you imagine that? 70 years on the phone she never revealed what she thought once. Not even privately. Well she revealed it privately but not not in public. You've linked mass migration directly to Britain becoming a failed state with the mass influx under the current leadership. Do you think this can be fixed with tougher enforcement or how do you envision the current migration situation being fixed in the UK? So it can be fixed but first of all you need to reverse all the laws that I was talking about like the human rights act. The next thing you need to do is get better people in the home office. So at the moment there's a load of bureaucrats who believe in open borders. Those bureaucrats need to be turfed out and you need different people in more like you have in the United States of America. And the problem is that the British uh and this is one of the issues I had as prime minister is under the laws now you can't hire and fire these people and we have to change the law to be able to appoint the people that are needed who are actually prepared to go and deport these people. Was that easy to do? Just change the law. I know I hear it's very complicated. It never happens. It is easy to do provided you have 350 MPs were backbone. But you know what the House of Representatives is like? It's like saying you need every single Republican in the House of Representatives to vote for tough stuff. And it's really difficult. It's really difficult to get MPs because they all get lobbyed, you know, by all these dogooders, etc., etc. So, it's quite a tough ask to say 350 people who are prepared to do that, but that's what that's what's needed. You've praised President Trump's border strategy. What should Britain copy from his approach without crashing the economy? Well, what the deportation strategy, the enforcing the border in America, it's a wall. I mean, we've got the English Channel. We don't need a wall. But what's happening is boats are being let in. So we need to make it much tougher for people trying to cross on small boats and turn the boats back and be prepared to deport people. None of this stuff is actually difficult. It's just there's such a wall of opposition and you can see that with ICE and the fact that you essentially have an armed insurrection against what ICE officers are doing. Now in Britain, maybe the people don't have so many arms, but the left will go absolutely mad and they will use every possible tactic, lawfare, targeting people, intimidating people. You know, one of the um shows I've just done recently on my new podcast, the Liz Trust Show, which I have to mention, available on YouTube. But you know a journalist who raises the issue of the boat crossings in Calala now needs police protection. So this is what's happened. Anybody who even talks about this stuff who talks about the illegal migrant gangs is targeted by the Islamists. Would you send the British Navy after the boat's coming? Would you do similar things like say the United States has done to those bringing drugs from Venezuela? What would be your approach to stop the mass migration? You need to do that and you need to just stop the boats landing. You need to stop the boats landing, but also you need to deal with the illegal immigrants who are already here because if people know the minute they land on British shore, they're going to be deported, they won't come over. The problem is now the minute they land on British shore, they get put up in a hotel, they get given a food allowance, they think they can go around sexually attacking young girls. You know, it's it's it's just is completely the wrong system. During your leadership bid, you talked about expanding skilled visas for growth. Looking back, do you think that was the right strategy or was the title wave not crashing, so to speak, yet? The I mean, I think you should be able to have visas for, you know, business people to come and, you know, set up businesses in your country. And I think Donald Trump's introduces a golden visa. Gold card. What is that called? A gold card. The gold card. It essentially expedites um citizenship via green card for those who are skilled etc. who are paying a certain amount of money to be able to come here quicker to attract the best and brightest throughout the world. But I think that's a small number of people and the salary threshold is far too low in Britain for coming. People have been able to come as bogus students. They've been able to come as the dependent of students and also people have been able to bring their family in. And that's one of the problems we have with the Pakistani Muslim um chain family enclaves is chain family immigration. So what I want to do is put a stop to that. So you yes high-killed people limited numbers and also I think it matters which country these people are coming from. So if it's Japan that's different from Somalia and we should be honest about that. So I like what President Trump has done about banning certain countries altogether. We should ban everybody from Afghanistan coming to Britain. They've got the highest rates of sexual assault of any any nation. And the highest rates of PTSD. Yeah. I would say that you have some very we call in America very based viewpoints, not woke ones, but yet you were born into a very liberal family and at one point served as the president of Oxford University liberal democrats before switching parties. what specifically turned you I in this country would say redpilled you but what specifically you know had you switch the Tory party so I definitely became redpilled as prime minister because I discovered just how powerful the deep state is and I thought this country isn't really a democracy because a democratically selected leader is not able to carry out their policies so that like redpilled me about how bad the system was but I think it was going to university and study economics that I thought this socialist stuff doesn't work. And I've always I've always believed in freedom and personal freedom and be able to shape your own life. And I think that's what you know frustrated me about the left and they would try to control things and plan things. So that's why I became a conservative. But then I think it was when I had children that I became more of a social conservative. uh because you you know I was more of a libertarian before that and now I've become more of a conservative. So it's been a it's been a lifelong journey. You describe I'm getting more right-wing every week. It's true. You described your parents as left of labor. What's your relationship with them now? Have they still managed? Are they redpilled like you or they're definitely not redpilled. Um they are still on the left of politics. I mean, my mom, just to be clear, was an activist in the CND, the campaign for nuclear disarmament. So, when I was a child, she used to take me to these bases to campaign against nuclear weapons and lie on the road and stuff like that, you know, and stay at a peace camp. So, they are pretty like 60s liberals essentially. Would they support nuclear energy now as it relates to power or there still? No. No. I had an argument with my mom a few weeks ago, just political discussion, and she just said, "We should stop all cars." What? All cars. All cars. Yeah. Let's just stop all cars. They're just ruining our city. Like, even the electric ones? All cars. All cars. Do you think nuclear has gotten a bad rap because of some of the similar campaigns for nuclear disarmament where nuclear power probably is definitely one of the pre-minent power sources? Definitely. Yeah. Although I mean I I support nuclear but it does take time to build nuclear and the big shame in Britain is that we're not using our oil and gas. That's just it's nuts. It's nuts. Do you believe in solar power then? And I know you were a big proponent of, you know, coal and natural gas and were opposed to solar. Do you think solar has a place in the future? I think like if if you want to put solar on roofs, you know, and people want to install it, great. All of these technologies have to compete in the market. If they're going to deliver cheap power, I'm not against them. I mean, I'm against some aspects of, you know, offshore wind, you know, for security reasons or wildlife reasons, but the point is none of these none of these renewable energies have had to wash their own face. They're getting massive subsidies from the government and people are paying that through their bills and that's completely wrong. But if nuclear takes so long to build and we currently need vast amounts of power because of the increasing of data centers not only in the United States but in Britain, in China and elsewhere, don't you see there need to be a need for like other energy such as solar, such as an increase in say natural gas to be able to fill those gaps? Definitely natural gas and fracking I think is and Britain could be energy self-sufficient in natural gas. So that's like the most obvious thing. I, as I say, I'm not against solar on people's roofs or whatever to supplement it, but it's an intermittent power supply. You can't Our grid is not organized around it. And what's happening is there's just a danger of blackouts because we're becoming more and more reliant on unreliable renewable energy. And it's it's just been a bit of a fad. And all the solar panels are produced in China as well. So, I'm not I'm not I'm not saying it shouldn't be allowed. I'm just saying it should have to compete with the other. Does Australia help their grid though via solar? They is a sunnier country. Anyone who's been to Britain knows that it is not the best place for solar power. Really isn't. So, you've been married for 25 years now? Yeah, that's correct. And have two daughters? Yes. How old are your daughters now? They're now uh the older one's almost 20 and the younger one's 17. And what have they thought about this experience of politics, prime minister now? Like how do your how do your daughters look up to this period of time and how do they see it? Well, they they sort of live through it all and they you know I always used to take them campaigning. They came to lots of political events so they now know so much. Uh my younger daughter is doing economics at school and she just she she kind of knows it all already because she lived it and she understands it. So they've got a unique I always tell them if they moan about whatever their life I just say you've had a unique experience that no other children have had. What what at what point in your career did you have your kids? So um it was 2006 and 2008. So it was before I became an MP. And yet you still managed to become an MP and prime minister with young children. Yes. How did you manage? How did I manage? Um got a very supportive husband. Uh we had various sort of opairs and nannies and I did take them to work quite a lot because politics isn't an activity you just do in an office. you know, there's campaigning, there's meetings, there's events, and my whole approach was to just involve them in that life as much as possible. Otherwise, to be honest, you don't get to see your kids. I'm forgive me for not knowing, but what does your husband do? He's an accountant. So, a rather he's nothing to do with electable job. Yeah, he's nothing to do with elected politics, which is So, was he able to pick up I wouldn't say the slack, but some of the caregiving when you were on the road and were busy doing basically. Yes. Yes. And my my younger daughter is still 17, so she still needs uh looking after. So, what would your advice be to other young women who have kids, who want to run for office and want to do something great and are like, I'm not sure if I should have kids now or wait. You didn't wait. No. And actually, if anything, I think I would have had kids earlier. I mean, I had my first daughter I was 30 at the time and actually got married when I was 25. Oh, wow. And I Yeah, I might have started earlier. I kind of would, you know, I I kind of think my husband doesn't necessarily agree with this, but I'd love to have more children. Do you think that's a derivative of the fact that now there is so much talk about the declining birth rate not only in the UK but we didn't even like I didn't even start thinking about this until actually after I left office and it's amazing isn't it we didn't sort of see the declining birth rate as a massive problem but it clearly is. What do do you think it is more on men and them not stepping up young young boys the lost boy generation or do you think it's on women who to put their careers too far forward I think that first of all we have made it so economically hard for young families you know it is so hard to get a house in Britain it's even harder than it is here but if it's really hard for people to move out of home get their own house. If it's really hard to earn a decent living, then you're not going to have kids. And I I think like if you look at what Victor Orban is doing in Hungary, I think that is the best example we've got so far. But I just think that needs to be put on steroids. So if you're a woman and you have more than I think it's two or three children, you don't pay tax for the rest of your life. It's great, you know. And if you're a family, I've already hit bingo. Yeah, exactly. If this doesn't work out, you can move to Hungary. Yeah, already hit bingo in Hungary. You'll be like, but you also you get preferential treatment on housing. You get preferential treatment in all kinds of ways. Even when you arrive at the airport in Budapest, it says, "We love families in this country." And it's creating that positive culture around having a family and saying we're going to make your life easier if you've got kids, not harder. And it's just so hard. I mean, one of my many jobs in the government is I was childcare minister. It's just childcare is so expensive. It's also difficult. It's also bureaucratic. And we've just made it really, really, really difficult for people. Do you think that only people with children have a stake in the future? I think having children gives you a different perspective and you know it does make you really care about what's going to happen next. You can't just write off things. You've held many different roles in the government. What's been your favorite job? Well, prime minister was my favorite job and um it was like I learned so much. I mean, I've learned so much about what what needs to change about Britain as a result of that job. Uh, I love being trade secretary. I did over 60 trade deals. Uh, in immediate postrexit period, we had to sign all the new deals and that was that was that was interesting. And I love I love kind of um I love coming to America. I like getting energy from ideas about what's happening elsewhere. So, that was a great a great job. Are there just a lot of cats at number 10? What is with all the cats? There's only one cat really, which is Larry. I think some people try and port their own cats. Did you ever take care of the cats? Uh, well, Larry was very keen on me. He's very He did love me a lot. He was very sad when I went. He was very angry actually. Larry, where do you get your news from? X. Anywhere else? No, I like I I occasionally read British press just to get angry and get motivated to do stuff, but like all of the British press is pretty much captured. You know, the Times and the Financial Times, people think these are neutral. They're not. They're part of the liberal establishment that is trying to stop any kind of populist revolution in Britain. So, do you think Harry's right about the press? I do agree with Harry on the press. He's not He's not wrong about everything. He's right about the press. He's right about the press. I invited him on my podcast to talk about his views of the British press because it's the sure it's the one place you agree upon. It's the issue. It's the issue we agree on. And X has revolutionized Britain and brought news that the press were trying to suppress. So the grooming gangs is the biggest example. It's absolutely horrific what's happened. you know, tens of thousands of British girls age 11 and upwards, you know, groomed, raped, tortured by Pakistani Muslim gangs. And the mainstream media in Britain has largely tried to cover it up. And even when they reported it, they only reported it for one day and then they talked about, you know, something else, probably Prince Harry or whatever. and Elon Musk and X have made these issues much more widely known about and are creating a different a different tone in politics which I think is fantastic and of course Karm is busy trying to ban X he is he's commissioned offcom which is the British media regulator they're known as offcom communist he's commissioned them to do a study about Grock bikini images or whatever. I mean, they're the left are desperate to close X down and the EU is trying to close X down as well through the digital services act. Do you think that's just because they're so used to controlling the legacy media and they're not able to control this new function? Of course. Absolutely. It's a threat. It's the biggest threat to their power and rule is free speech, which is why they're going after it so in such a tough way. Where do you think it ends? Well, there's two choices. Either Britain becomes like a version of the Soviet Union or we become like a version of Trump's America. That's the choice. I know which one I vote for. What's your daily routine these days? Uh there isn't really a routine because you know I'm doing a lot of but I'm doing my podcast. Uh I'm working on what needs to what is the infrastructure that we need to take on the deep state because there are all these people at the moment in politics you know talking about the issues of the day you know Nigel Farage whoever else you know they're debating those issues. What I know is it doesn't matter what your policies are or what your personnel are saying if you don't have the ability to change the system. So that's what I'm working on. How do we change that system and put in something new that actually works? Would you ever run again? I don't rule anything out. I don't rule anything out. But what I wouldn't want to do is go back into the cess pit of British politics without the infrastructure and the levers that I know can actually change things because that's just that's just being the whipping boy for the failures of this system that doesn't work. So, every episode we play a game of would you rather. Would you rather have afternoon tea and crumpets with King Charles or late night McDonald's with President Trump? I mean, that is so easy. A late night McDonald's with President Trump, of course. Would you rather have your political career dramatized in The Crown or have your personal life psychoanalyzed by Piers Morgan on live TV? I' I'd rather be in The Crown. Definitely. Pierers Morgan is part of the British establishment who tries to pretend he's not. He's a snake. Would you rather refight the Revolutionary War or relive the infamous lettuce meme? I would fight the Revolutionary War, but I don't know which side I'd be on. Would you rather be the third wheel on Megan and Harry's podcast or be a contestant on The Great British Bake Off with Gordon Ramsay as a guest judge? I mean, that's pretty easy. Gordon Ramsay, Great British Bakeoff, definitely. Would you rather get a tattoo of the Union Jack or rock Boris Johnson's hairstyle for a year? The Union Jack tattoo, even though I'm scared of needles. So, when I said I was recording with you, the number one question I got was, "Everyone seemed to really want to know how you did your skinincare routine." Ah, so will you please share with the viewers your skinare routine? I don't know why they want to know that, but it's not very sophisticated. It's like I w, you know, I wash my face, then I put on moisturizer. Not many steps. It's not many, it's not a many step routine. No. Do your girls do a lot more of like, or maybe it's just American culture of like the going to the beauty store, spending tons of money on makeup and products and trying them all out? They do. I do buy a lot of makeup. So I'm I'm a bit like the sort of you know the French regime. I believe in sort of sticking sticking a lot of filler on top and that's the way that's the way to deliver. But my yeah my daughters do love makeup and I think people are more cleared up about skinincare now. And do you feel like you've had to get made up more frequently than say a man would being the prime minister to do that? And is it more time you spend on it or were you just more focused on the job? So yes, it's more that So I did all my makeup myself and there just aren't people that do that kind of thing in number 10. So it's a bit, you know, getting hair stuff done. I had a hairdresser come in. It just takes extra time definitely. And I don't think the British system is particularly built around that. But you know, one of my big envies of Americans is their great hair. Great hair and great teeth. And so when I go to CPAC America, like they just have such like the hair is so big. And I don't know if British hairdressers even know how to make hair that big. And one of the things I want to do in British politics is I want to get that big hair over into Britain. You do have great hair. I don't know what it is about Americans. I love the hair. Americans do spend a lot proportionally on their hair care, skin care. But what see what do you actually do to have American hair? Just can you just tell me? Okay. I I don't know what other people do because I have a pretty low maintenance routine. Um but I wash my hair with whatever is I think right now it's some inner sense. So I'll give you it's the organic maha like most maha shampoo and conditioner and I blow dry it and that's it. That's it. So I don't know what other women do to their hair. I know a lot of women color their hair. We do um there's toner in your hair. There's some shine products you can put in your hair. There's always something when you go to a hair salon that they will upsell you on that I 100% say yes to. But they do most women like gauge the salon all the time to get blow dries. I would say yes. I would say if you have an event, most people are going to go get a blowd dry 100%. It's the same blowd dry polers here. It's just like per capita a lot. Like the same way I mean I don't know what it's like but again a lot of people are going to get their nails done a lot. The nail thing has got into Britain, but not the hair thing. Eyelashes. Getting your eyelashes done is a big thing. I don't know if that's like that for you. There's a lot of There's a lot of teeth whitening. There's a lot of way to go to uh get level up in Britain. Yes. Um from the time that you're very little, which is very barbaric, by the way, that they're still putting braces on like six, sevenyear-old kids for like a year and tightening them to get their teeth to be straight from a very young age. H. But you do have great teeth, so maybe it's worth. I had braces. No one's The pictures at 13 were rough. What's a conspiracy theory that you believe in? Um, well, obviously the deep state is real. Which are the conspiracy theories? I'm very interested in what the the stuff that's going about Nixon and how he was actually done over. And I think that's true. Fascinating. What's one aspect of American culture that you think the UK should adopt and vice versa? Well, big hair. Okay, that's the that's my number one thing that I absolutely love here, but American bread is not good. You've got a real bread problem. I agree. And it's like it's often got sugar in it. Yes. And why is that? Like I bite into a piece of bread, it's sweet. And Britain has had like even though we're like in economic armageddon and you know people are really suffering. We've had this huge surge of bakeries in Britain producing really great bread and I am a I'm a a sort of maha believer. I love whole foods and you know I'm very you know I love the inverted triangle and all that stuff. And we just have great bakeries now in Britain. How long should bread last? You should eat it well. It shouldn't have any preservatives in, right? But I think a good loaf of like So I would get brown sour bread. I think that can last three or four days with no preservatives. Have you seen where you put water in it and then put it back into the oven to bring it back to life? No, I just taste it. I don't Why do you need to put it in? I don't get that. You haven't seen this? Actually, you haven't seen this where if you cut a loaf of bread in half and then you put it under like a faucet. If the bread is stale, like too crunchy, like real bread, you can put it into the oven for like a 350 and it brings it right back to life as if it was never dying in the first place. Really? Yeah. And then you can retoast it and then it's good bread again. I I'm just happy with like tasting old bread. I like that. When it gets too crunchy, it's not my thing. Do you put ice in your water? Not generally. I This ice thing is a bit excessive as well here. And like you just have a whole cup. It's like like ice, what is this? It's like and it dilutes everything. So like it's okay, but a couple of cubes is fine. You don't need a whole glass full of ice cubes. Do you drink iced coffee? Certainly not. Have you ever had a good Starbucks iced coffee? Because I I don't I don't have milk in my coffee. I like espressos. So they don't really do iced espressos. It's not really Have you ever had like an American iced coffee at Starbucks where they put the ice to the very brim? No, I haven't. No, but as I say, I don't really like coffee with milk in. So, well, you'd hate that one then because there's so much ice. I'm a I'm a big Starbucks skeptic. I actually think McDonald's coffee is better than Starbucks coffee. No, I don't think Starbucks coffee is good. I just don't I think McDonald's is way worse. What temperature do you like your beer? Uh, cold. Cold. What's the most American experience you've ever had? That is quite tick tricky. Well, as I've told the the blade dry bars are very American. Uh maybe it's the drive-throughs like drive-thru coffee bars and things like that. That is very that feels very alien. You see, you can drive through and get anything you want. It's a magical experience. I love it. I love it. I will drive an extra 10 or 15 minutes out of the way to go through the drive-thru so I don't get out of my car. That just doesn't happen. But like drive-thru espresso bars are weird. That's that's for us Brits. What's the last book you've read? Um I've just read actually a book by Maggie Oliver about the grooming gangs which I've just been interviewing her for my podcast, but she was one of the detectives who basically whistleblow about what's going on. and say her book is called I think it's called Survivors, but it's very interesting and scary. Have you spoken with any of the survivors or and victims of the grooming gangs? No, I haven't. I've spoken to the detective involved and I'm hoping to do an interview with one of the survivors very soon. I think one of the most powerful things President Trump has done and we've done is with these angel moms and angel families of those killed by illegal immigrants here in the United States and bringing their stories to life. I think of Patty Morren for example, um Josyn Nungur's mother um who's at the State of the Union and those have been incredibly powerful stories to share with the American public just about how terrible, you know, having illegal immigration is on the country. Well, we have this group called the Pink Ladies who are campaigning against the migrant hotels. For that reason, you know, for young girls getting attacked in the school playground, you know, in the local park, what's your favorite? Who's your favorite royal? Good dead or alive? I'm a well queen. The late queen was fantastic. I'm a big fan of Princess Anne. She's great. There was um there's a very famous interview she did where there was a kidnap attempt on her. I think it was on like Paul Mo and they opened the door and tried to get her out and she said and they said are you coming you come with us and she goes not bloody likely just sat there. I just think it's so great. Growing up in the UK I'm sure you've met and given your role many royals. Who's your favorite behind the scenes? what I've just said. It's Princess Anne. Yeah. Fantastic. She's such a She's such a stoic. She does such fantastic work and she keeps going. She's a lot like her mother. You think stoicism is just the hallmark of what a good royal should be. Absolutely. Duty, stoicism. When the queen met me, she was in very, very bad health. the whole leadership election had dragged on. And she insisted on standing up to greet me even though she was in great pain because she so believed in doing her duty. And that I think is a quality lacking in a lot of people in public life in Britain. And it was that stoicism and duty that you know she so represented. So, the last question we ask for everybody on the episode, if you could host a dinner party with three people, dead or alive, who's sitting at the table and what are you eating? Dead or alive? I'm going to gave her some uh US presidents, I think. Okay, so obviously Donald Trump. I think we could get Nixon there as well. Find out what really happened. And maybe George Washington. I would have gone with Queen Victoria, you know. in this situation. Do I like she's someone I'm absolutely fascinated by. Really? Absolutely. That's interesting. Actually, the the queen I'm fascinated by is Queen Elizabeth because she you know, Elizabeth the first, she was on the frame when Britain was on the up and I think that's very exciting. What are you eating? Uh I'm feeling like tacos. Mexican food. I love Mexican food. The tacos in Britain aren't that great. There's a few good restaurants, but here is much better. With all that immigration, you'd expect you get better tacos sometimes. We don't have Mexican immigrants. They're not. We're not very many of them. Anyway, thank you for doing this. Great pleasure. Thank you. Thank you so much for watching this episode of the Katie Miller podcast. Don't forget, we're available every Tuesday night at 600 p p.m. Eastern where you get your podcast. Don't forget to like, follow, subscribe, and share. And also, don't forget to turn in to tune in to Liz Truss's new podcast on YouTube. On YouTube, and it's also on Spotify. It's the Liz Truss Show. 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