為什麼明朝向東南亞派遣的軍隊比任何其他西方國家都多?但明朝還是無法佔領緬甸和越南?而西方國家卻能輕而易舉地征服東南亞國家?

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The Ming was very much interested in colonizing the world in its early period, under the Hongwu (r. 1368–98), and Yongle (r. 1402–24) emperors and briefly during the Zhengtong reign (1435–49). The dynasty was initially conceived by the peasant leader-turned-emperor Hongwu as a purely military enterprise, without reliance on the Confucian philosophy and examinations, with power flowing from the personal family-acquaintance network and security services of the Emperor. Rather than the Song tradition of a regularised, civil military, he enfeoffed his sons as dukes in antique fashion and ruled through brute force: his thirty years of rule brought all China into his power as the Mongol rule fell apart around him. Though the Confucian examinations would be eventually instituted as the means for promotion into the civil service, the identity of the dynasty would for long remain debatable, often distant from even nominal service to Confucian ideal (unlike the later Qing, who were barbarians, the early Ming were Chinese and did not feel they had something to prove by playing the good Son of Heaven to the bureaucracy).

His son Yongle took power by force (from his nephew), placed the capital in his old feudatory, and launched large-scale imperial projects in all directions, all ultimately unsuccessful. He wanted to conquer Vietnam, Manchuria and Mongolia; he was an emperor ruling “from the saddle”, not a philosopher-king. Under him the Confucianists were again sidelined, and power was handed to the eunuchs (whom his father mistrusted), men with no real education and eager to commit themselves to imperialism as a swift means to personal power, wealth and their master’s favour.

Now, I’m sure at least some modern folks are rubbing their hands at all this. This is glorious empire—replacing the West and building an indigenous global power to resist them. Well, no. The practical effect of massive and thankless prestige-driven military campaigns spanning decades, unprincipled “favourites” ruling the state by dint a despot’s whim, and the risk of extinction after military defeat (and make no mistake, “advanced” or not, China was certainly not winning most of her wars) were insalutary.

Zheng He’s maritime efforts—and I would advise students of history to take the hyperbolic measurements of his vessels with a grain of salt—were, like the rest, a basically profitless exercise. The whole point of European maritime expeditions was pursuit of private enterprise along natural economic lines. Zheng He’s efforts had no economic coherence, were pursued by an overmighty courtier, and absent any dynamic that would justify or perpetuate their existence. This is why they were abandoned.

In any case, the end to Ming territorial ambitions came when Zhengtong, who due to being raised into teen age by yet another eunuch, tried to conquer the Mongol steppe on his favourite’s advice and against all military reason: leading to the emperor’s capture, a catastrophic defeat and the near-end of the dynasty. It is little wonder colonial ambitions were subsequently shelved.

Ming dominions at the peak of Yongle’s map-painting expeditions.

無論如何,明朝與任何歐洲國家一樣從歐洲殖民主義中受益:西班牙的白銀貿易最終填滿了中國(和印度)的金庫。當西班牙帝國因經濟衰退而滅亡時,位於經濟多米諾骨牌長鏈末端的明朝也隨之滅亡。獲得遙遠土地上的領土所有權是實際國家權力的可能結果,而不是其原因。

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對明朝的精彩演繹。(朋友)彼得·戈登(Peter Gordon)最近出版的一本書中解釋了明朝所享受的白銀橫財。

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你沒有認識到歐洲帝國主義與明朝的冒險和隨後的撤退之間的驅動力的差異。歐洲殖民者認為,可以從有限的土地上獲取財富。中國人走出去,發現沒有什麼值得獲得的東西,冒險去遙遠的地方花費的金錢和乾擾比他們能得到的更多。與此同時,北原部落也時時製造麻煩。因此,他們將資源重新集中在重要的事情上。

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聽起來他們意識到沒有什麼可得到的,因為他們的嘗試沒有得到任何東西。如果鄭和從印度香料貿易的主導地位中帶來了數不盡的財富,那麼明朝可能會學到截然不同的教訓。

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“印度香料貿易的主導地位”

統治力?你的意思是通過軍事行動來控製印度?首先,這種帝國主義在其歷史上從未實行過。當發生衝突時,弱小的敵人被要求進貢,這意味著他們承認臣服於中國。朝貢制度實際上使小國受益,因為這意味著他們現在可以與中國自由貿易,並免受敵人的侵害。說到印度香料,中國想要的香料都有。如果你的意思是製定一個計劃來奪取印度的利潤,那麼這絕不是它的風格。中國從不關心別人是否做好事。例如,泰國人是成功的商人,而中國卻讓他們如此。

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我並不是說這是他們會做的事情。我是說,不做某事的傳統通常是因為發現它無效(至少與替代方案相比)。如果中國人嘗試過西方式的帝國主義,並發現它有利可圖,他們可能會繼續……
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中國有句俗話:“攻之易,治之難”。他們不必嘗試這樣做,因為他們看到了北方平原王國的崛起和崩潰,而這些王國正是這樣做的,其中最著名的是蒙古人。任何收益都被視為暫時的。就像99年的元朝只是中國歷史規模雷達中的一個響動,他們把自己變成了中國人。
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中國的世界秩序只是一個幻象,不多也不少。

部長有這個嗎?

皇帝的印章,上面有五爪龍 - 五爪龍是為皇帝保留的

我不同意范凱的觀點:中國皇帝在亞洲周邊地區也擁有合法權力。

  • 比如他能集結安南王國的軍隊嗎?………… 沒有 !
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The Ming stopped at what is now Xinjiang, like most Chinese dynasties.

Before modern times, only the Mongols had power simultaneously in West Asia + Europe and in China. Timur tried it but died before reaching China.

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This is a solid question that has many facets.

1. it wasn't 500,000 armed forces: first off, we should note that the official history of the Ming intentionally glossed over this part very badly because of the obvious ugliness and also the even worst political aftermath. they wrote it to the point where it's almost as if the Emperor just went on an extensive hunting trip north.

So we need to rely on not official sources for this event, the first document we have of the # of men involved, where the 500,000 number comes from, says it's "500,000 soldier and retinues." [1] where as later once probab

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The 1st Emperor HongWu who basically killed anyone crossed his way. At the end of his reign it was a shortage of officials in the court. The senior Ming officials usually had purchased their coffins in advance and bid farewell to their families before work.

In one particular case alone (the Hu Weiyong 胡惟庸 case) the Emperor HongWu executed over 30k people, including women and children.

The Yingzong Emperor 明英宗 was captured by the Mongols in a battle which caused a national crisis. He was such a swell guy who managed to become friends with Tayisung Khan during jail times. When released back t

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The meaning of this sentence is, "The emperor had better do nothing and let the scholars rule China."

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In the Song and Ming dynasties, scholars had been infinitely close to achieving this goal.

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At the same time, early political parties appeared in China. Scholars who share the same politic

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In 1400 AD, a coup occurred in Vietnam, and the king was killed (the person who killed the king was the king's father-in-law),

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These competitive advantages presently, are:

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